google listing has droped dramitacly

[Brandon Sheley]

has anyone noticed this ? I only have like 20 some listings in google, I use to have just under 600 for link2share.com :(

ps, i know google has been jacked up lately, just seems like it's more then that ? I know I did have all kinds of jacked up encrypted listings in msn for a while after I had upgraded..

I'm running 3.0.5 now..

thx for the input
-Brandon

[Nefarious]

Yea it is still acting up it seems.

Awhile back I had 10k+ pages indexed, one day it droped down to 35. A couple days ago I checked and was back up to 10k+ indexed. It lasted a few days and when I checked yesterday was down to ~500.

See-saw here hehe I don't think its permanent though.

oh yea this is not for a link directory but an article directory. I haven't posted my link directory on forums yet for submissions. Hopefully will soon.

[Steven Myers]

Just to inform you guys, they do this a lot where they knock the links off the engine that are not listed on your site anymore, say you submitted a sitemap.xml and the link or category is not there anymore, they will knock the entire listing off and keep half of what is active on your site and relist new links you have on their next engine update.

I noticed I went from 500+ to 389 in just 2 days, but again, that is because my links and categories I used to have are no longer listed in my sitemap when I updated it.

[tx80]

Hi everyone,

I was just curious as to what software, if any, you use for checking your Web rank? I also had a large drop in Google over the last two days.

Regards,
:)

[Steven Myers]

Hey tx80, check out the list below and see which ones you like.

http://www.webconfs.com/
http://www.premierdirectory.org/ - View the bottom page
http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/
http://www.123seotools.com/
http://www.webmaster-toolkit.com/search-engine-optimisation-tools.shtml

[tx80]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the list. I'm going to take a look at some of these and see if I like any of them. Currently, I'm using AWR from Caphyon: http://www.advancedwebranking.com/

Regards,
:)

[Steven Myers]

Not a bad program to use tx80 :D

However, if you want trusted link popularity results, check out http://www.submitexpress.com/linkpop - I use this tool every 12 hours to check up on my results.

[tx80]

Hey Steve,

Very nice! I gotta give this a try.

Thanks for the url.

[anon]

I think google hates awl.

oh well :D

Thx for the link Steve. reminds me of webtrends tools.

[Kevuk2k]

Could it be there is a problem with phpld more than Google? My site is down to 11 links! My sitemap has never worked so had someone from here to make one for me using one he knows works. He found that the figure 0 and the pagination was causing the sitemap to 'loop' so perhaps this may be a bug needing to be looked at?

It's just a thought!

[anon]

Are you on version 3.03 Kev?

3.03 seemed to be the culprit as Optimiz was investigating things. Once he upgraded to 3.04 everything went back to normal.

[Kevuk2k]

@David, I was refering to The Orange Pages which shows even less the way you check!!

@Rob, I am not 100% on this as Boby did it but am fairly confident that it is 3.03 as it says in admin although Boby did change this for me. I'm as lost as anyone else and will help as much as I can but no matter what I try to do it makes no difference.

I want to blame Google as much as anyone but the results are spooky and I see no other sites except phpld commenting on this wierd phenomenon? I may be wrong, tell me? If there is anything I can do please let me know as I want this fixed as much as the next guy.

Could it be the 0 and the pagination loops or is this way off the mark? Should I try to upgrade to v3.4 to try and deal with it?

[anon]

Yes, definately get OFF of 3.03

As mentioned, Opti was consistantly and constantly keeping track of things, and once he went to 3.04 everything bounced back. (rather quickly I might add too)

If you upgrade go with 3.05. It's as good as 3.04 and better.

[Kevuk2k]

Thanks Rob,

I think Boby did this for me, not 100% sure. Wish I could keep a track on as much as I liked but it ain't always possible. On a brighter note my brother has now bought a house at Sunset lake; Windermere, only 30 minutes away from you if I'm right. I'll be over in August for 3 months so will probably look you up. :-)

Kev

[Optimit]

Too All that are having problems with indexing.

As Rob mentioned, I did lots of research and stats checking with every version. phpLD has been awesome with the exception of 2 versions. 3.02 and 3.03, while they were nice upgrades for features, stood very poorly in search engines.

I had a couple of my directories with more than 10k pages indexed. One was on 3.02, and the other was 3.03. both almost completely dropped from search engines, while a dir on the same server running 3.00 stayed fine.

I waited about a month of watching, and only the dir on 3.00 kept increasing. The 2 dirs on 3.02 and 3.03 dropped to just a couple hundred pages, and those pages were almost all rss pages.

So, I upgraded one of them to 3.04. It took about a week and boom! Back to 5k pages indexed. After a third week it was it's old self again at 10k pages. meanwhile the one on 3.02 was still sitting with nothing. I upgraded it and after a couple of weeks, it was indexed again.

Both of those dirs had the "patch" installed early on. While the patch did allow google sitemaps to get a status OK, it didnt help with indexing.

Definitely upgrade! Once you do, it will only be a mattter of weeks, and you will be fine again.

3.04 on both these dirs.

Bloggeries (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abloggeries.com&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official) - 19,100 pages.
General Web Directory (http://www.google.com/search?hs=1Du&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Ageneralwebdirectory.com&btnG=Search) 10,200 pages

[Kevuk2k]

Thanks Optimit, I will try it as it would be stupid not to. But what puzzles me is the starter of the thread has commented that he is already using 3.05 which is supposed to be okay?

Am I missing something here?

Kev

[Optimit]

I am seeing over 1k pages for that site in Google.

Content visible to registered users only.

[Kevuk2k]

Fun and games it is then as I am looking at it this second and typed in http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=inurl%3Alink2share.com&meta=

It gave Results 1 - 1 of about 70 for inurl:link2share.com. (0.18 seconds)

Can it change this much in 2 hours? Wierd!

[Optimit]

inurl does not show how many pages are indexed. That shows how many pages refer to the URL. There is a difference.

To see the indexed pages, look at site:domain

[Kevuk2k]

Content visible to registered users only.

I did Optimit, http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alink2share.com&btnG=Search&meta= and got the same kind of results. I might be some stupid thicko from the UK but I'm not that thick!! Guess we are missing the point here and I don't want this to be a competition on who gets things right or not, the fact is that for some wierd reason most phpld sites aren't getting indexed correctly, maybe we should focus our attentions on that would you agree?

Kev

[Optimit]

Well, I guess it is some strange thing that only appears on my monitor. However, even searching the UK server, I see it indexed fine.

Content visible to registered users only.

Now, I dont think there is any arguement that 3.02 and 3.03 had some issues with indexing, but the rest deserve high praise.

notice that IS google Uk in the image.

[anon]

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,020 from link2share.com for . (0.10 seconds)


same here.

[Psyclones]

I got

Results 1 - 5 of about 95 from link2share.com for . (0.16 seconds)

for the link above which kev posted. I am also in the UK

One thing I would also like to add is that I currently run version 3.03 and well after reading opti`s post about links falling out from google i checked my site and google reported

Results 1 - 1 of about 23,500 from thehulldirectory.co.uk for . (0.35 seconds)

so where to go from here. Its a tricky one.

THanks
Psyclones

[Optimit]

Psy,

I did the same thing on your site, and got the same result. Although it says there are 23k pages indexed, it only lets us see 1. I would be interested in seeing the other 22,999. I wonder if they are mostly rss pages for all your categories, and link pages.

Also, what do you do for a sitemap? The one that is built in?

It also seems that Google is showing us all different results by region, even if we use UK based.

[Kevuk2k]

Content visible to registered users only.

I got the same result and I am FROM the UK, to get the result simply click on the http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=inurl:thehulldirectory.co.uk&hl=en&lr=&filter=0 and you will see that the results are not all rss feeds?

Please, lets not let this get into a competition as to who gets the best results, lets get the problem solved? As moderators you can cut and paste your findings. I just tried and this site wont let me otherwise I could show you black and white what Google is telling me; and that is that Results 1 - 5 of about 95 from link2share.com for . (0.23 seconds) is what I see, I have no need to say otherwise. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alink2share.com&meta=

@psyclones. Good for you for getting the results you have as you clearly know something phpld don't know? I don't expect you to tell all here but what version are you using? Are you using the in-built sitemap? I suspect not but would be gratefull if you could let the forum know so that we can learn from this.

One thing is clear, US results are not the same as UK results? Perhaps calling from different datacentres? Either way surely the common goal is to get the script working correctly and ALL phpld users getting their sites indexed? Right or wrong?

[Optimit]

The solution has already been given Kev. Why keep beating a dead horse? Upgrade from 3.03 and no more problem. As for link2share's results, who knows. The site is still new. whether it is 1k pages or 100, in the eyes of a search engine it is not many at all. I have several new directories that are near 20k. If they dropped to 18k tomorrow, I would not think twice about it, as fluctuations in indexing happens daily.

I am not saying 3.05 is a perfect script. The fact is, it is still new and who knows, it could have a problem discovered in the future. But it seems nearly flawless as of right now.

3.02 and 3.03 had problems. That has been acknowledged by the devs of the script. A reasonable solution could not be made as a fix, but a resolution of FREE upgrade is offered. Whether you choose to take them up on that or not, is up to you.

[Kevuk2k]

Hi Optimit, Sorry mate but I didn't think I was flogging a dead horse as the issue still lies with version 3.5 or so it appears? But hey no problems here, if you don't believe there is an error lets wait and see, I don't want to have errors they just happen to be there!! Its the same with other phpld's not just that link2shares's.

Rather than give the impression I'm 'Flogging a dead horse' I'll take my questions to Google and ask them, they will know the answer I'm sure as I don't want to offend you guys!

Thanks for taking the time anyway.

[Psyclones]

@ optimit & Kev

I do not use the sitemap in phpld, i use a java script sitemap which i ave never had a problem with and trust it 100%, I have created many sitemaps with the java script and 100% have gained a pr5 within 3 months. (Why change a good thing) it can be found at

http://www.auditmypc.com/free-sitemap-generator.asp

When using this program it highlghted an error on which i think kev mentioned which is endless loopping of certain categories, ie kev mentioned a category with the name 0 "zero". I also found this a while ago with v3.03, if you have a single error in your category structure you will get an endless loop in your site maps. obviously if you hand typed all your cats you should get this but i know of many sql import scripts, they all have to be checked thoroughly.

I am using version 3.03 of phpld as mentioned before.

@kev i took the liberty of looking at your directory and i think you are using version 3.04 which as mentioned by optimit early doesnt have any problems with links falling out of google.

So I am still confused.

The original starting post for this thread reported links dropping out of google for version 3.05

More confused

So what to do, is it google, is it phpld, is it google against phpld who knows.
I am sure the answer will eventually come to light and I am going to spend a bit of time monitoring a few phpld directories ranging from 3.03 - 3.05 and see what come to light.

Thanks
Psyclones

[Kevuk2k]

Thanks Psyclones,

I will try that software and don't know whether it is version 3.3 or 3.4 but all I wanted to achieve by adding to this thread was the fact my index has been all over the place not to stir up trouble or get any back.

I want a solution that's all but I guess whichever way I ask it is always taken as if I'm having a dig at phpld but I am not. Thankyou for the link Psyclones I will look at that.

[Optimit]

Here (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ageneralwebdirectory.com&btnG=Google+Search) is a perfect example. Just a few days ago, as noted in an above post, that site was over 10k indexed pages. Today, it shows 759. Nothing changed on the site, and the site has been fine for months. This is just an example of how fluctuations in search engines can occur.

[Kevuk2k]

Content visible to registered users only.

Ours is to wonder why not reason perhaps? :-)

[Psyclones]

Yup the sites I am monitoring and going up and down faster then a rabbits arse on heat.

[Steven Myers]

LOL! now that is funny Psyclones :D

[David]

As a general rule of thumb, a site will contain more indexed pages:
1) the more it ages
2) the more incoming links are pointing to it
3) the higher the pagerank
4) if it has navigation allowing spiders to crawl through even the deep content

[Domie]

I was on 7 now 3 :confused:

Any help?

[Brandon Sheley]

Content visible to registered users only.

yup, i seen this too a few days after I posted this thread..
somedays i have 900 links, somtimes over a grand, somedays 40..lol

i hope google's next update is good for all my sites,, oh, hope its good for yours too :D

btw, i see at the top of this page some question about how to search,, maybe this page will help :)

http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/help/features.html
that was the uk one
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/
here is another,, but i've seen a page on google that shows what different searched do like

site:
inurl:
link:

I'll see if i can find the correct page